Curse

Arsalan · Dec 25, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Well, I have a Perma-Pre character and I try to teach every newcomer I can but there are some people I would like to hurt real bad. For example, when I was doing Hells Precipice mission we had 2 monks in our team. 1 disconnecteded at the start of the mission so we had just 1 left. We went all the way to the Seer, got the bonus mission and went over to kill the Titans (Or whatever they are called, long time ago :P) Midway through getting the bonus we see that our monk is dead. I ask him where he is and he says he's at the Seer. I ask him why and he says: "I need to get my armour infused"

Naturally we were all baffled not just by the fact that we had a player who had actually made it this far without infused armour but more about the fact that we had 1 monk in the team who didn't have his armour infused and kept going back to the seer to get it infused, dying 20x on the way. This happened over and over again and I was forced to go back and rez the monk. Long story short, we had to play that mission as if we didn't have a monk, which was damn hard. Even when we were planning our attack on the Lich and were about to execute it, we noticed that the monk was dead again. Guess where he was? Thank God I had Rebirth and I didn't die. I take pride in the fact that I was the only one in the team who didn't die there

What I am trying to say is that yes there are players who don't know what they are supposed to do but there are also players who don't want to listen to you when they don't know what to do. We told him countless times this was the wrong mission to do what he was trying do do but he never listened.

It gets annoying after a time. Also, there are way too many emos in Pre-Searing. Kids bragging about cutting themselves when they are 10 and 11 to supposedly impress female Elementalists etc. People fighting if someone says this is my boyfriend or girlfriend. Bla....

lacasner · Dec 25, 2006, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

I can be ignorant and rude only when noobs say "where is the merchant!!??" seriously if they would just press alt and walk around this wouldn't happen (for me at least).

Err..a lot of people don't know about pressing alt, I never knew about it for a long time honestly.

Coloneh · Dec 25, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Err..a lot of people don't know about pressing alt, I never knew about it for a long time honestly.

Its on the quick reference card for the hotkeys. i can understand not reading the manual, but looking at that card should take 30 seconds while the game is installing.

Redfeather1975 · Dec 25, 2006, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Many people I knew didn't know about the wiki or these forums and they'd been playing for months.
They buy the game and start playing. They aren't the type of people to search the internet for sites that tell them how to play the game. They learn from playing and asking questions.
I think the average player probably doesn't go to fan sites or wikis to learn about everything, because they've never played a game that required them to do so in their previous experience.
I rarely ever see people posting the wiki to new players' questions.
Why is that?

Redfeather1975 · Dec 25, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

It's true. When people ask questions in the game, I often see an elist response, yet I never see anyone posting where to find the wiki to the person asking the question.

Darkobra · Dec 25, 2006, 06:28 AM // 06:28

I played for just over a year without even knowing about wiki. I got along fine. I learn best when thrown in the deep end. It's also how I managed to complete Nightfall on my on with just heroes and hench on my dervish shortly after release. The reason being, I RARELY trust outside sites when it comes to games, just because of how many people would attempt to keylog you and sell off your account. So some people ask in game hoping to get an answer. Now here's the beauty of it. People tend to type 12 line long replies with 11 lines of swearing when it'd take them 10 seconds to just say "It's to the north". THAT ALWAYS confuses me.

Does-it-Matter · Dec 25, 2006, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by Xunlai Master

You can't expect a newbie to play like a pro, but ppl learn. Yet most of ppl I see in game don't even know the basics. They don't know what to do, don't have right skills or attributes and they complain NF xxx Mission is impossible, etc when all missions are dead easy if you know what to do.

Couldn't they just spend 10 minutes doing search on the net? I'm sure they'll find all the answers.

When you say "don't know what to do" do you mean, don't do it your way, or don't do it the "right" way (note: there is no "right" way.)

Would you rather people learn through experience, or learn through copying someone else and using that?

If I'm playing a game, I play it and learn as I go. If I run into a point that I'm so confused that I can't beat it after several attempts... THEN I will look for advice.

If I don't beat it "perfectly" or I don't do it the correct way to someone else's standards, oh well, I'm playing the game, not them.

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In reference to builds, strategies and what not within GW... I will occasionally look at builds that other people posted, or strategies to beating certain areas, but this is only if I can't figure it out after several attempts. Or I need an advice to develop my own build.

So yeah, I'm probably one of those people you see who dn't have the "correct" amount of attributes towards a particular skill, or the person that doesn't bring the exact right skills to meet your idea of "correct."

Last I checked, I put my user name and password as a login, not yours.

Terra Xin · Dec 25, 2006, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by Does-it-matter

Would you rather people learn through experience, or learn through copying someone else and using that?

It would have to serve a specific purpose if you want to copy the exact build or the exact strategy used by another person, when the goal isn't to attain the experience that you get from it, but to reap the rewards at the end of it all, in the most efficient way possible. The experience that you do get is in the forehand, when you're reading and studying the strategies and builds used by other people - and yet, there is nothing stopping you from twinking around with what has already been done to suit your own playstyle. You have to respect that even though you will find that playing without guides and seeking out your own experiences, is just as important as a person who has read different notes and posts from other people, and who have a more... scholarly-related knowledge about what they are going to face.

It's a common case of Knowledge versus Experience. There's an apple. neither of you have tasted this apple. The first one takes a bite and savours the taste. The second person hears what the first person had to say about the apple, and then takes a bite. The results that both face after the apples are eaten are the same, its just the pathways that were taken that are different.

Therefore, ignorance... as many have pointed out... is based on perspective. Surely there are better ways to do things, but what's the point of playing a game when you already know what the outcome is going to be?

The answer to that is the reason why we have farmers, PvPers and title hunters. They all know what the outcome is going to be, they just need to know how to best achieve that outcome.

For others, its about the journey towards the goal; the thrill of exploring that which is unknown to you, doing a mission with friends, the excitement of killing others in PvP... all of these have recognition, and by no means show ignorance.

On the defense, ignorance can be seen by the likes of Darkobra and Does-it-Matter towards a person who flames them because they didn't go out and seach for the answer themselves - when they actually did, and did it by asking the community (when the help was needed). Ignorance, because they failed to see that the person that they flamed asked a question they really didnt know the answer to. You can throw blames as to why this is the case, but then you can also save yourself the time and just give them the answer :P.

Grasping Darkness · Dec 25, 2006, 10:41 AM // 10:41

they are lazy and or stupid.
im not trying to be mean but thats the awnser plain and simple
i myself, once again this morning disabled every form of chat in my options to keep myself from getting banned
NO I DONT WANT YOUR 250 SHARDS FOR 25K

Maxiemonster · Dec 25, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

You can 3-man Stygian Veil with heroes, and you still join 8-man teams. I'm not going to deny that 80% of the people have at least one of the things they need for a specific build (runes, headgear, skills, skillz etc.), but it's partially your fault, you really don't need to join these kind of groups. These guys didn't learn it in the past, and they won't ever learn it. These kind of groups might pop questions like "how the hell did you ever compelte Nightfall?" or "why the hell do you even try?", but questions popping up in your head won't change anything

Guess I'll just throw the good old "DON'T JOIN PUGS!" at you, because I guess you don't know that sentance as well as you think you do

PS: Pre-searing solo'ing - The solution to all your problems!

Lag Hell · Dec 25, 2006, 12:27 PM // 12:27

if u have played MMORPGs before, then i dont see why u seem suprised, deal with it, theres no solution

Pale Valsharess · Dec 25, 2006, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by Stormcloud

Perhaps some people just throw skills on their bar because they think they are neat.

I have a friend who plays mainly as blood necro, but has a "Putrid Explosion" in her skill bar. Why? Because she loves to see how those corpses explode

She never read mission/bonus description or any manual what so ever, she is not a pro and frankly sometimes it's annoying to play with her because she aggro first, think later. But she loves GW and has lot of fun, and isn't it a whole point of gaming? Don't like people like her - don't team with such people.

Redfeather1975 · Dec 25, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Pale Valsharess

I have a friend who plays mainly as blood necro, but has a "Putrid Explosion" in her skill bar. Why? Because she loves to see how those corpses explode

She never read mission/bonus description or any manual what so ever, she is not a pro and frankly sometimes it's annoying to play with her because she aggro first, think later. But she loves GW and has lot of fun, and isn't it a whole point of gaming? Don't like people like her - don't team with such people.

Yeah. Some people just play to have fun. If anyone can't handle that people are playing this game that way, don't group with them and don't bash them. It's their game too.
Don't flip out for failing a mission or losing a streak or not being able to get a title as fast as possible. It's just a freaking game.

I'd also like to say that when I was younger I'd be the guy getting mad at my sister or friend playing a game and telling them what to do all the time and getting frustrated by the second. They didn't want to play anymore because I was taking the fun out of everything. I really regret being that type of person and I've learned that it's more important in a game to respect people's right to play it how they want if it's fun for them. That's what games should be all about.

Blackhawk · Dec 25, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24

I just let people play how they want to play and let them get on with it, and if you dont like the way they play the game or they don't like the way you play, just dont team up with each other again.

I must admit though it's annoying when someone keeps asking the same question that several people have answered already or pointed them to guildwars.com or Wiki

bhavv · Dec 25, 2006, 02:42 PM // 14:42

I fully agree with the OP. If I join someone elses group for whatever reason, I always ask if they want me to take a certain skillset and change to it if required, also by making comments on any changes that I think tht would help. around 80% of groups are happy with my approach to this, however other people cant be asked to play what is best for there group. I remeber a few days back I were playing TA and the leader wanted to run a certain build with a blinding surge and SF elly. I agreed to play blinding surge, then we got a secong elly and asked him/her to play SF. Heres most of what they said....

- Why should I play SF? Its a noob skill thats overused
- Because this is someone elses build and we want you play it.
- (More whining about using SF)
- If you want, can you play blinding surge instead and I'll change to SF.

And at that point I got ripped appart with spam for being a noob because I play SF. Also this problem is magnified a hundred times in PVE.

leprekan · Dec 25, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Is he saying Dunkoro should not have headbutt as his elite? DOH I feel so stupid now

JDStrider · Dec 25, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

One thing that does irritate me when I play is ignorant people when it comes to selling items. Often times, when i'm selling an item that is worth 100k+xx ecto i'll get responses telling me that the item isn't worth what i'm selling it for (when in reality it is). Once even I was selling an item and this guy pm'd me and (with absolutely no warning) started swearing at me saying my item was way overpriced (when, again, it wasn't). This is the only type of ignorance in the game that irritates me.

Omega X · Dec 25, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

"How come there are so many ignorant/rude players?"

Because your fellow players will rather ignore people instead of reporting abuse.

Mr Lem · Dec 25, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

its becasue most of us have bad "real lives" so we take it out on people over the internet

leprekan · Dec 25, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Mr Lem

its becasue most of us have bad "real lives" so we take it out on people over the internet

**kicks lem** .. *runs away*